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presented the latest white proposal on avoiding the fiscal cliff to house speaker john boehner thursday --house speaker john boehner says that the idea of boosting revenue by 1.6 trillion over the next decade would be a 'crippling blow' to the economy. >> ".we're at a stalemate.. .let's face it...." >> "vhope that's a figure of speech. shouldn't be talking about a stalemate." we should not even think of that term of a stalemate. >>catherine: the key sticking point....taxes. democrats want to extend bush-era tax cuts for the middle class...while allowing rates to jump republicans don't want a tax rate increase on anyone. period. the white house is hoping that the fact the president is taking his case to the public will help build momentum....and pressure congress to act. of course the real negotiating is going on behind closed doors.. and with 32 days before tax hikes and spending cuts kick in....there are few signs of progress... catherine heenan, kron 4. >> congressional insiders that a deal could be reached before the deadline we will be right back. ♪ aids is not going to take my ba
? >> i think on the fiscal cliff, the president and john boehner spoke of the weekend. i think it was the second consecutive weekend when they spoke. 28-minute conversation, variously described as curt or short. people already suspect that boehner's strong reaction against the proposal that was sent up today was something they planned together, because now boehner can say this crazy, outrageous proposal, and i don't think so. i'm very pessimistic about a resolution. i might be one of the only ones. >> i am, too. given everything that we've covered over the last couple of years, you saw what happened with the debt ceiling, for example. i mean, there was, in the lame-duck session after the 2010 midterms, there was sort of a productive lame-duck session. but then again, the president was accused of caving. so the bush tax cuts were extended. >> the atmosphere has not changed despite the electric, in that we do live in a washington right now where we don't do big things anymore. they take too much leadership, it's incremental. i'm pessimistic about this idea that we'll have a grand
.b.r." >> susie: the fiscal cliff talks are going nowhere. that's the word from john boehner today. the house speaker characterized the negotiations to avoid huge tax increases and spending cuts at a stalemate. the race to solve the fiscal cliff triggered another round of dramatic sound bites from republicans and president obama. darren gersh has the latest. >> reporter: the president is still pushing to wrap up a deal on the fiscal cliff before christmas and just in case anyone missed that point, he visited a toy factory to urge congress to avoid raising taxes on the middle class. >> that's sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that's a scrooge christmas. a typical middle-class family of four would see their income taxes go up by about $2,200. >> reporter: t psidents oposg to raise taxesy $1.6 trillion, while cutting spending by $400 billion. on top of that, mr. obama asked for $50 billion more for infrastructure spending and $140 billion to extend unemployment insurance benefits and the payroll tax cut. republicans literally laughed it off. >> they want... they want to have t
] >> house speaker john boehner held his own meeting on the fiscal cliff negotiations. this is close to 10 minutes. >> good afternoon, everyone. the president traveled to pennsylvania to visit a small business today to talk about the fiscal cliff. unfortunately, it's the president and members of his own party who were proposing that we let many small businesses, as in hundreds of thousands of them, go over the fiscal cliff. simply put, that's why we don't have an agreement as yet. they said yesterday this is not a game. i used to be a small business owner. small business owners are regular men and women from all backgrounds who, in today's economy, are facing challenges on a daily basis. and the president's tax increase would be another crippling blow for them while doing little to nothing to solve the bigger problem here, which is our national deficit and our national this debt doesn't exist because we don't tax small businesses enough. it exists because washington continues to spend too much. raising taxes on small businesses instead of taking a balanced approach that also cuts spending
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boehner and in the white house, folks like this in washington using the term fiscal cliff, it takes to become a reality and take on language of its own. >> eliot: it seems to me that there is an element of hysteria being created and used by some folks. you have fix the debt coalition that is pounding away at this terror, and then you see cmbc and this business interest. then they come in and ask for a huge cut in corporate taxes. one doesn't follow the other. is this an element of a trojan horse being used by folks to ramp up hysteria, and then get policy changes that aren't even related to the issue they're talking about? >> yeah, the real issue that folks need to keep their eye on is the topic of tax reform. a broader tax reform. it's unclear whether we'll see that as part of the deal that happens before the so-called fiscal cliff and fiscal slope by the end of this year or in 2013, but we could see real corporate tax reform, possibly lowering in this year or next. these things can get lost in the details when folks are talking about the bush tax cuts and medicare and medicaid and
'm ready to throw the fiscal cliff off a physical cliff. >> eliot: if i see john boehner give the same speech. >> john boehner, they voted for it in 2008 and again in 2012 john boehner making a fuss on this is like the man who lost lotto and still demanding
: on the subject of the fiscal cliff, john boehner declares a stalemate. this is the headline in an article from politico. the major sticking points remain the same, congressional democrats want to raise taxes on the highest income earners while keeping the current lower tax rates in place for the middle class. republicans want to extend tax breaks at all levels. good morning and welcome to "washington journal." we are going to be talking about the fiscal cliff, the statements the house speaker made about being a stalemate and what the president said during his trip to a toy factory in pennsylvania. here are the numbers. you can also reach out to us by e-mail and twitter and facebook, all of the social media as. on twitter the addresses @cspanwj, facebook.com/cspan. more from the article by jake sherman with the headline " fiscal cliff." he writes -- let's go to the phones. the first call comes from debbie in flint, mich. on the line for democrats. caller: i think they need to pass a law that these guys did not get paid. if i go to work and did not do my job, they will not pay me. they have not
john boehner yesterday talking about the fiscal cliff declaring that a stalemate now exists. as both sides dig in their heels. the gop demanding entitlement cuts in exchange for revenue. nancy pelosi, meanwhile, threatening to take action to enforce a vote on extending middle class tax cuts if republican leaders don't bring it to the floor next week. want to bring in democratic congressman peter welch from vermont. congressman welch, always a pleasure. let's talk -- >> thank you. >> let's talk about entitlements here. are you willing to put entitlements on the table if republicans agree to more revenues through tax increases on the wealthy? >> yes. and the president is, too. essentially the president has made an opening offer. $1.6 trillion in new revenue from the top 2% and about $400 billion in medicare savings over the course of the next ten years. now, the next move, actually, is speaker boehner's counteroffer, whatever that may be. he has a very tough position and my view, the speaker understands that mitt romney, who ran on the platform of not raising taxes lost and the speaker
change in the senate that would occur after the fiscal cliff deadline. the senate will organize itself at the start of the new year. so boehner's making threats that really have very, very little to do with reality. unfortunately, that seems like a lot of his approaches to this whole fiscal cliff debate. >> john nichols, great to have you with us. >>> there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of "the ed show." stay with us. >>> we are a country of unlimited opportunity. we want the world's best and brightest to come here. >> house republicans pass an immigration bill. xavier becerra calls divisive and inferior. he's here to explain why, next. >>> the nation's first fast food strike is a historic protest for workers rights. the workers are fighting back and we'll tell you what it's all about. >>> and the white house debuts their first beau obama christmas video. but how does it stack up to b barney cam? >> you're going to have to learn about the national parks if you want to be a junior park ranger. of washington about the future of medicare and social security. anncr: but you
democrats aren't even interested in passing what he's offering now for the fiscal cliff. they didn't do it when he put it into his budget and they're not going to do it now. so like john boehner said today we're at a stalemate and not really moving forward as president obama would hope. >> all right. many thanks, katy pavlich, appreciate the rundown. >>> both president obama and speaker john boehner took turns today finger pointing on the fiscal cliff talks. take a listen to this. >> it's not acceptable to moo a me to you for members of congress to hold middle class tax cuts to hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. >> the white house spent three weeks trying to develop a proposal, and they send one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for a little not even $400 billion in cuts. it was not a serious proposal. >> all right. so where are we right now? even while the fate of our fragile economy hangs in the fiscal cliff balance, for that let's turn to our distinguished guests. peter goodman. he's the huffington post business edi
today putting to rest the idea that a fiscal cliff deal is on its way. some angry lawmakers are now saying the last three weeks have been a complete waste and that president obama's new detailed proposal is a total non-starter. hedge fund manager jonathan hoenig agrees. he joins us to tell us why he thinks the president's plan rests entirely punishing the minority, that is the rich. thanks for having you back on the show. >> hello, melissa. melissa: this is depressing topic you will make it light and happy for us somehow. >> there is nothing happy about wealth destruction that is exactly what president is doing. you raised a very important point. why is it the president's plan to fix the economic calamity specifically reinvolves hurting minority, as you point out the so-called rich? redistribution is once again the center of his proposal. it is not only immoral but impractical as well. we're talking about 1.6 dro trillion coming out of the economy, coming out of invests, not being put into new jobs and new businesses being sent to washington instead. melissa: it is not really in the
the break the latest from the political front. the president took his fiscal cliff case directly to the american people. believe me, he was speaking right at you john boehner. it's (vo) as marijuana gains social and legal acceptance, a new pioneer is emerging from the backwoods. >> i'm basically like a farmer. instead of corn, you've got dope. (vo) but what is legal and what is criminal? >> this is, no matter what you do, a violation of federal law. (vo) follow real farmers staking their claim on a new frontier. >> lots of terrible things happen to people growing marijuana. >> this crop to me is my livelihood. >> i have everything invested in this. >> obama: i've been keeping my own naughty and nice list for washington. so you should keep your eye on who gets some correct this year. there are going to be some members of congress who get 'em and on don't. >> jennifer: that was president obama at the connect toy factory factory. he was warning congress they might end up on the naughty list. and he asked republicans to extend the bush era tax cuts for those making less than $250,00
. the negotiations on that fiscal cliff, now just 32 days away. and, today, the top republican in the country, house speaker john boehner, declared a stalemate, while president obama warned that republicans must accept higher taxes on the rich or watch everyone get a tax hike. >> that's sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that's a scrooge christmas. >> so, what is next? george stephanopoulos is going to sit down with the treasury secretary tim geithner for a reality check on these negotiations, this sunday on "this week." >>> and we head overseas now to israel, and the provocative new announcement there. officials in israel saying they will build 3,000 new israeli homes in jerusalem. the palestinians condemned the announcement. it comes on the heels of that historic vote by the united nations, making palestine an observer state, over the objections of israel and the u.s. >>> and nearby in egypt, tahrir square again filling up with protesters, more than 100,000 at times today, chanting against their president, mohamed morsi, claiming he jammed through a draft of a new constitution, w
the battle over the so-called fiscal cliff. that's the combination, of course, of spending cuts and exexpiring tax breaks set to kick in about a month from now. economists say it could cause another recession. today, the president visited a toy factory in pennsylvania to make his case for his plan. he is asking americans to pressure congress to extend tax cuts for the middle class right now. in fact, extend tax cuts for everybody for the first $250,000 of income. so the families won't have to worry about a new year's day tax hike. republic leaders say letting the tax cuts expire on income of more than $250,000 would hurt small businesses and, as they call them. job creators. let's get to ed henry who is with us from the white house tonight. president says the election proved most americans are on board with this plan. >> that's right. he, without using the word thinks he he basically has a mandate. even though the election is over, he is out campaigning for this again because he thinks there is a dead lock here in washington and he wants to break it with pressure points from the
-called fiscal cliff. our political insider on why things are looking up for the president. >> it appears as if he is playing the hand where the cards are being revealed. it's almost like three card molly. boehner has got a problem with reference to the white house proposal. too many of his people are suddenly finding something attractive about it. >> plus, we are going to track all of the rain, wind and damage from the next big storm thaissments on eyewitness news this morning tomorrow on cbs 5. we will have a lot of crews in the field seeing what's going on and here is a look at the top stories. flood watches continue today around the bay area as another storm moves in. tonight we are expected to be hit hard by heavy rain and winds once again. it's the third and final storm of this series. the storms have been wreaking havoc on the roadways in santa cruz county. in particular several trees and wires were down in mountain towns. officials are keeping a close eye on the rising san lorenso river near bolder creek and the winter storms could be a challenge for businesses that are trying to
to face this fiscal cliff, we're facing endless fights over debt ceilings from now on. there's going to be this regular thing, this, you know, veg-o-matic. we have to go through this whole thing. he's saying to the liberals who might be willing to go along with the deal, even if you go along with this, there will be more to pay in two months in february, then more a few months after that. he's making it very difficult for the president to convince his progressives, maybe we ought to give a little. if i give here on medicare, i'm going to have to give again in a month and another month. it looks horrible. the other side he's saying, this is going to be fun. maybe he's playing to his right wing crowd saying if we don't get a big apple bite this time, we'll get another bite next month. who is he playing to when he says we're going to have more trouble down the road? >> you have to remember the cross currents facing boehner include not just the tea party crazies but the right wing donor class is very hard right on this ideological issue of never seeing any tax increases. and the republic
will go over the fiscal cliff come january 1st, one theory, will make it easier for john boehner and republicans for that matter to vote for higher taxes on the healthy. in other words they would be voting to cut taxes for 98% of americans while allowing them to stay where they are. because remember, after january 1st those bush tax cuts expire. they rise for everybody. again, there are conspiracy theories everywhere. you saw the hardball offer put forward by the white house late in the week on thursday when tim geithner went up to congress and presented it to republicans. mitch mcconnell laughed out loud. $1.6 trillion in new revenues. only $600 billion in cutting spending. this is not what.republicans had in mind. but john boehner can rail against it which will make it easier for john boehner to sell to his conference. i think it's far fetched. i don't think either of these men, president obama or john boehner, want to see this country go off the fiscal cliff. there's obviously too much at stake not only politically but for the lives and welfare of americans. i think that's for
that are necessary to avoid the cliff, here's how house speaker john boehner described the status there. >> no, there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. i'm not trying to make this more difficult. >> reporter: what set off this reaction was the president's proposal for $1.6 trillion in new taxes over ten years with tst of that coming from a tax hike on single americans making hire than $200,000 and married couples filing jointly making $250,000. boehner has hinted that republicans might raise half of that, $800 billion, but only by reducing tax loopholes. >> getting rid of special interest deductions and not raising rates we think is better for the economy, pure and ecole. >> reporter: there is also a gap on spending cuts. yemocrats say they've already agreed to cut one trillion dollars from future spending, republicans, including majority leader eric cantor, responded with this: >> all of a sudden they're asking for $1.6 trillion in tax hikes and nowhere near that number in spending reforms. >> reporter: democrats are angling to raise taxes on the rich now and negotiate tax reform and spending
the deadline for the so-calleded fiscal cliff. the drama is building. check out what house speaker, john boehner, had to say this week. >> the white house spends three weeks of trying to develop a proposal that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for a little, not even $400 billion in cuts and they want to have this extra spending that's actually greater than the amount they are willing to cut. it was not a serious proposal. right now, we are almost nowhere. >> oh, mr. boehner, you have got it all wrong. it is a serious proposal, really serious. godfather serious. >>> watching the d.c. drama convinced those of us in nerdland that president obama must be a fan of the francis ford copel la masterpiece. remove the lethal components and there are valuable negotiating lessons that the president seems to be picking up on, like this one. >> my father taught me many things here. he taught me in this room. he caught me keep your friends close but your enemies closer. >> well, president obama keeping his opponents close in hand. lunch with mitt romney. a mid-week summit with the business l
days until the nation is set to go over so-called fiscal cliff and president obama is still in campaign mode. in hatfield, pennsylvania, the president was demonizing republicans -- shocker. meanwhile, house speaker john boehner seems willing to negotiate, as long as it's in good faith. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's accept to believe you for a handful of republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. >> let's not kid ourselves. i'm willing to move forward in good faith. our original framework still stands. >> andrea: the republican leader mitch mcconnell said he burst in laughter when tim geithner outlined the president's plan. what's next? rush limbaugh and charles krauthammer want republicans to walk away and let obama own the mess. >> the best thing to do is back out of this and let obama and democrats have it and do what you want to do. that will happen anyway. i don't know about you, i don't want my fingerprints on this. >> this is almost unheard of. what do they expect? they think
washington the count reap is about to go over the fiscal cliff. republicans are urging the republicans to stand against the tax increase. we are 30 days from going over the fiscal cliff . both sides are pointing fingers and blaming each one for the stalemate. but the real losers is you and me, the american taxpayer if the taxpayers can't come to a compromise. steve has more on the part of the grid lock. >> hi, uma. one month away from the critical deadline and there appears to be very little movement to a deal. the president is using the bully pulpit and appeal to the american people and pushing to extend the bush era tax cuts but those making $250,000. a year. democrats want high tax rates for the wealthy. the president stressed the urgency of the situation in the radio address. >> if congress does nothing. every family will see the income taxes go up in the beginning of next year. a family of four will see income taxes rise $2200. we can't let that happen. our families can't afford it and neither can our economy. >> but republicans say the president should quit his campaign mode and
will be launched over the fiscal cliff if congress and the white house can't agree on a resolution. president obama and house speaker boehner took the fight to the podiums. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you for just a handful of republicans in congress to hold middle-class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. that -- that doesn't make sense. >> it's not a serious proposal. and so, right now, we're almost nowhere. >> joining me now is nancy cook, budget and tax correspondent for national journal. welcome back, nice to see you. >> you, too. >> let's take a look at white house propose. $1.6 trillion in tax increases, $400 billion in savings. is that how this $1.6 trillion is going to be reached? >> the way the $1.6 trillion will be reached is primarily through the expiration of the bush-era tax cuts for the top 2% of taxpayers. then there would be some other increases in taxes on investment income, again for people above people making more than $250,000, and also some capping of deductions. so there's a, you know,
on the fiscal cliff talks, timothy geithner will sit down with our chris wallace and explain the tax plan and plus, chris will have an interview with house speaker john boehner, 2 p.m. and 6 p.m. eastern here on the fox news channel. >> fox news overseas, massive protests in egypt and thousands have gathered for a 9th straight day in cairo's tahrir square about morsi's power grab and the constitution he's supporting and the port city of alexandria where the supporters of president morsi are clashing with opponents and thousands of his supporters taking part in nationwide rallies. and they're organized by the muslim brotherhood has taken charge and steve harrigan is there and streaming live for us from cairo right now. steve? >> it's really two different sets of demonstrations going on. there's the group behind me at tahrir square and those are people against president morsi, but today for the first time we've seen a much larger group, mainly supported by the muslim brotherhood and they're coming in in support of president morsi and that group is a mile and a half from where i'm standing,
. the whole fiscal cliff is forcing them to do something. the president has said that tax rates will go up for the wealthy. republicans won't bend on that yesterday, john boehner said, we are at a stalemate. this is posturing. this is washington. we're going to have ups and downs. >> ups and downs in the stock market, as well. david, thanks. have a great weekend. >> you, too. >>> now, to the star college basketball players accused of abusing their position as big men on campus. they're facing burglary charges for allegedly stealing thousands of dollars of stuff from their fellow students. and abc's john muller is covering the story. john? >> reporter: good morning, dan. hofstra students say iphones, computers and cash has been disappearing from their dormrooms all semester. one used an app to find their iphone. now, four players from the division i basketball team are under arrest. faces, covered in shame. hiding tears as they leave a long island courthouse. another man, pushing and even taking swings at a cameraman as he storms out of court. they are the stunned loved ones of four hofstra
tim geithner. that is president obama's lead negotiator in the fiscal cliff talks. it's all happening tomorrow on fox news sunday. check your local listings for the time and channel in your area. >> rick: speak of the president, we could soon be learning who he wants to have serve in his administration in his second term. source telling fox news, a slate of nominations could be coming this month and that would likely include a replacement for the defense secretary, leon panetta, and if that does happen, it will come a little sooner than a lot of people had expected. the short list reportedly includes former republican senator chuck hagel, deputy defense secretary ashton carter, michelle floroni, a top official and democratic senator john kerry >> arthel: a reported murder-suicide rocking the nfl today. police say kansas city chiefs linebacker gentleman von belcher shot and killed his girlfriend this morning. he than drove to arrowhead stadium where he killed himself in front of his coach and general manager. elizabeth prann live from atlanta with more on this very sad story. elizabeth
this brinksmanship about the budget and the fiscal cliff is all just fine. i don't want to go over the cliff. i think it would be irresponsible. >> does the president want to go over? we got to listen to all the republicans and the conservative media today are saying president obama wants to go over the fiscal cliff, because then taxes go up across the board. and then it's got to be done retroactively. >> which is not what the president wants but there's a big difference between this fiscal cliff and the full faith and credit of the united states. the american government has never defaulted on its debt. and now there are some, not the majority of republicans but some on the extreme of the republican party and they seem to be in control, who seem to want to default on our debt. that's crazy. if they cannot be entrusted with the full faith and credit of the united states, they should not have that leverage. >> paul, where were the overtures though? where were the overtures with this deal that was presented? i mean, listen, you don't have to be mensa to know delivering a deal like that was going to make
the fiscal cliff is serious business. i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> house democratic leader nancy pelosi quickly dismissed boehner's remarks as a negotiating maneuver. >> i think they'll come around. it's a tactic. it's a tactic. >> reporter: you hear a strikingly similar message from other top democratic leaders saying the ball is in the republican's court. >> we are waiting for some specifics somewhere from our republican colleagues to show that they're serious on negotiations. >> reporter: as the country fast approaches the fiscal cliff, the two sides are talking past each other. democrats say they've laid down their marker, hiking tax rates on wealthier americans. and it's up to republicans to propose specific spending cuts they want to entitlement programs. however, republicans say they've offered a concession, putting revenue on the table. and they say it's now up to the president and his fellow democrats to feel some pain and proposed cuts in medicare and medicaid. confusing? we asked harry reid. >> where is
along with the talking point of fiscal cliff happens you must do the republican approach of cutting medicare and social security and not raise taxes on a the rich. >> or poor rich, and they're not poor. >> today john boehner named candace miller to head the house administration committee. candace miller was not even on the committee in the first place. dan lundgren lost, who was chairman of the committee. i think it's worth bear mentioning. >> i love that they put her on the committee so they could name her chairman. a little bit of panic. now when we come back, speaking of panic, this is what you should panic over. forget the fiscal cliff. the real problem is the climate chef. >> i love bill o'reilly. i'm proud to be an american, but i saw this movie chasing i.c.e. today, and it has changed me not only about global warming but as a person. >> cenk: wow, that's not even the elbow of the day. you'll be shocked to find out it's not a republican. ice breakers mints. break the ice. question: why are ice breakers mints called mints? answer in a moment. >> a second pounding storm slams th
as interview with treasury secretary tim geithner who is the president's lead negotiator in the fiscal cliff talks. all tomorrow on fox news sunday, check your local listings for the time and channel in your area. >> heather: wicked weather out west pounding parts of northern california for a second day in a row. the rain soaked area bracing for more stormy weather today. new warnings of potential mudslides and flash floods after yesterday's system washed out streets, brought down power lines, knocking out electricity to thousands. dominic is live for us with the latest. dominic? >> hi there. worst yet to come. this third storm coming through overnight tonight. no one really sure quite should have water it's going to drench the region with. we had two major storms come through that dumped so much, that we've seen flooding everywhere. first person reports coming in of probably being damaged, particularly down in fulsome where a park became flooded and the water gushed through people's homes. here is one of the residents affected by that. listen to what he saw. >> i don't have carpet. >> it cl
. >>> with exactly a month until the country pitches over the fiscal cliff, discussions between lawmakers seem to be stuck in the mud. friday the president warned republicans, warned the republicans may be wrapping boxes of coal for middle class families. while house speaker john boehner said the white house proposal has created an impasse. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their income taxes automatically go up on january 1st. that's sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. >> there's a stalemate. let's not kid ourselves. i mean, it's -- it was not a serious proposal. and, so, right now we're almost no where. >> almost no where. joining me now, former dnc communication director and msnbc political analyst karen finney and also senior fellow at the research council ken blackwell. good afternoon to both of you. >> good afternoon. >> ken, let me start with you. do you believe these negotiat n negotiations are at a stalemate or is this just some made for tv drama? >> i think it's made for tv drama and both sides are playing the clock and it's like, unfortu
-called fiscal cliff and president obama making his case to raise taxes on the rich while john boehner, the speaker of the house opens negotiating. >> it's not acceptable to me and i don't think it's acceptable to you, for a handful of republicans in congress to hold middle class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want the tax rates on upper income folks to go up. all right? that, that doesn't make sense. >> increasing tax rates draws money away from our economy that needs to be invested in our economy that needs to put the american people back to work. it's the wrong approach. and we're willing to put revenues on the table, but revenues that come from closing loopholes, getting rid of special interest deductions and not raising rates. >> clayton: so with all of that, the white house saying they're unwilling to compromise on tax likes for the wealthy, where do we go from here. >> juliet: let's ask dana perino, currently on "the five" fox news channel. >> how are you. >> a great so-so far, lots of calories on that table out there. >> dave: speaking of ugly, how was the offer fro
.. the latest white proposal on avoiding the fiscal cliff to house speaker john republicans laughed. >> there is a stalemate, let us not kid ourselves. >> perhaps it is a figure of speech but the country cannot afford a stalemate. >>catherine: house speaker john boehner boosting revenue by 1.6 trillion over the next decade would be a 'crippling >> stalemate...let's face it.." "...hope that's a figure of >> speech...shouldn't be talking about a stalemate." >> the key sticking point....taxes. democrats want to extend bush-era tax cuts for the middle class...while allowing rates to jump republicans don't want a tax rate increase on anyone. period. the white house is hoping that the fact the president is taking his case to the congress to act. of course the realand with 32 days before tax hikes and spending cuts kick in....there are few signs of progress. congress seems to love a deadline. but while it might come at the 11th hour -- most insiders seem to believe that there 'will' eventually be an agreement to avoid that cliff.. >> let us take a look at traffic on the south bay bridge
in the u.s., republicans and democrats are wrangling over how to avoid falling over this fiscal cliff. this week the president sent over his plan to republicans. there was $1.5 trillion in tax increases and an additional 50 billion in stimulus spending. republicans were not happen wet offer. john boehner called the plan bait and switch and minority leader much mcconnell made him burst into laughter. >> across the globe today is world aids day, the white house marking the event by displaying a red ribbon on the north portico, a life picture of the white house, an international show of support and awareness, in a proclamation president obama says in part that the united states is committed to preventing the disease is quote, spending and ending this pandemic once and for all. >> do same-sex couples have a constitutional right to mayor? we don't know yet. the u.s. supreme court held a closed-door meeting to decide whether to hear a series of appeals. but they didn't say if they will take action on the divisive issue. some took this as a sign that nine justices need more time. we expect a
offers when i'm buying a condominium, but the problem is we're so close to the fiscal cliff that you wonder why the president and the white house did what they did. not because they didn't have a right to start there and play hardball, but because john boehner is balancing. republicans say they will never, ever, ever vote for a tax increase, and those who say okay, well, let's make a deal. and i just think the president, by starting with a proposal that even "the wall street journal" said was provocative, maybe not the best first step to help john boehner pull over a majority of his caucus. >> totally disagree, because i think it gives boehner room now to look like he brought the president in now. i think it's a great first offer, because it's going to have to change now. just like bidding on a house, i give ridiculously low offers. but you ultimately end up with a deal. >> you see even this answer? she doesn't believe a thing she says. but that's her first offer. >> we'll see what happens with the second offer. when you look at what's happened over the past week, a couple of campaig
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